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Evil95GT
11-19-2008, 06:35 AM
I've arrived at the conclusion that I'm not even going to attempt to maintain professionalism in reporting the reveal of the 2010 model year Mustang.

http://i33.tinypic.com/xen0gp.jpg

For those who have known me for any length of time, I've made no secret of my displeasure with the S197 debut. Having said that, this car makes my feelings on the 2005-2009 appear lightweight.

Call it what you will. This car is a travesty. Epic failure is putting it lightly. I see Mazda styling cues. Hell, I may even see parts of a Camry in this car. And the rocker panels? LMAO! Did they run out of ideas, and make a quick jaunt to the left-over 1994-2004 SN95 parts bin? :rolleye:

The part that I find mildly entertaining is the fact that this is supposed to compete with the Dodge Challenger and the Chevrolet Camaro? :rofl: Even if you're a Camaro naysayer at this point, you simply have to admit that the Camaro has much more to offer aesthetically than this thing does.

It is what it is. And what it is equates to the epitome of poor design. As such, I refuse to put more than one picture of this car in this thread. If you're interested in seeing the entire car, click here (http://www.fordvehicles.com/the2010mustang/) .

This Thanksgiving, be thankful that we all got our Mustangs before Ford went and uglied them up. :puke:

SteelSteeds
11-19-2008, 02:17 PM
Harsh!

I'm going to have to disagree with you. Respectfully, of course. ;)

I didn't know that you were so against the initial S197 release. That surprises me more than your displeasure with the '10 redesign. Personally, I couldn't have been happier when the '05 was released. I knew from the moment that I first laid eyes on it that I would own one before the next design change. I was able to pull that off last October, buying my 2008 Shelby GT 500. I have minor quibbles about some aspects, but they are very minor.

Now, my take on the 2010: I was VERY dubious while viewing the spy photos. I didn't like much of anything that I saw. But, I wanted to hold my full judgement until I saw the whole enchilada. Having seen it, I can admit to being pleasantly surprised. Overall I like the car, and it has some design cues I really like, and others I think were a step in the wrong direction. My favorite new aspect of the car is the 1969 style "hips." The subtle curve that starts at the B-pillar and carries back to the trunk. Sexy. Me like. My least favorite aspect of the new design is the taillights. At first, I really hated them. But, yesterday, poring over photos of the design, it hit me that it wasn't that I had such a strong dislike of the overall design, but merely that I love the design of the '05-09 taillights so much that any alteration was a negative. Once I accepted that fact, I took a step back and reevaluated the new taillights from a neutral perspective. Upon doing so, I found that I actually like the look of them. But, I still greatly prefer the previous gen taillights.
When I first saw the new headlight/turn signal combo, I hated that too. Now seeing it clearly for the first time, I'll say that it isn't that bad, and will probably grow on me. The jury is still out on the black cladding that Ford slathered all over the front end of the GT. I'll need to see that in person, as the photos are inconclusive.
I like the new mirrors, they are a slimmer, sleeker design than the previous gen, which I've heard referred to as "truck mirrors." There is already some buzz about retro-fitting these new mirror to the previous body style, which is something I could potentially be interested in as well.
The front overhang on the 2010 design seems to be a blatant copycat of the Challenger, which pioneered this design element. It certainly makes for a "family resemblance" in the pony car world since the Camaro "borrowed" the look also, but it seems a poor choice. That said, it looks sharp on the Mustang, as it does on the Challenger.
I like that the antenna is on the back now. I like the new wheels, but I really wish that they could have come out with something more original. Every single wheel design for the 2010 Mustang, from V6 up to GT Premium options, is a variation of the tired old 5 spoke design. I long for some "bold" company to try something different. The 5 spoke design was tired in 1994, it's a cliche now. Yet people keep buying them...
Let's move to the interior. Again, I have mixed reviews here. I intensely dislike what they've done to the vents in the upper dash. The '05-09 design had 4 symmetrical round vents. The new design has 2 circular ones outboard, and 2 rectangular ones inboard. Looks odd. Plus, the round ones are very large in diameter while the inboard ones are very short. Again, looks odd. Don't like it. I also don't care for the new steering wheel emblem. Someone at Ford really likes it, there are pictures of it everywhere. It looks cheap and stuck on to me.
At first glance I like the instrument cluster, but that's another of those things I'll need to see in the flesh to pass full judgement on.
I really like the stitching on the seats, and love the new Saddle interior color. It's a darker color brown that hasn't been seen in a Mustang since about 1981. It looks similar to the leather in the King Ranch edition trucks, and just has a rich look to it.
The biggest grumbling about the 2010 is the lack of any substantial power increase. In my opinion, anyone who expected anything greater was deluding themselves. Ford has ALWAYS done this with the Mustang. First you get the new design, which will sell simply by being new. THEN you get the power, to keep the sales numbers from dropping. I'm sure this is a written law somewhere at Ford HQ. We will probably see a real horsepower increase for the 2011 model year, 2012 at the latest. The big question now is the GT 500. I'm betting that will be ready for release next September, as a full '10 model year.

I look forward to seeing more! I'm not in any way inclined to trade for a new one, I'm quite happy with my '08, but I do enjoy watching the evolution.

Who's next?

Rev.Hammer
11-19-2008, 08:34 PM
ugh.... JUST UGH!!!!

They took the koi-fish blase` look of the previous mustang and watered down even worse.
They used the visual copout of the black rockers and lower valences in order to decrease the apparent visual height of the vehicle. They did hte same thing with th mirrors too to reduce thier chunkiness.
The grille is crowded. The tail panel was TOTALLY an afterthought too. The front end isnt a frown or a glare or a hard stare...it looks like the car is emotionally sad. The car looks like a catfish that was told its mama just died.
Now, dont get me wrong, I dont completely hate it but the worst thing that I can say about the car is that its...pleasant.
Not dynamic
Not inspiring
Not outspoken
Not unique

Just...pleasant.


BTW.. did you notice in the link that the entire thing is CGI and they avoid camera angles that are isometric?

Sharp Charge
11-19-2008, 10:09 PM
Found
On
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Dead



Hehehehe, although I do want an F-350.

Jon_G
11-20-2008, 01:05 AM
looks like a Mazda muscle car :ghey::ghey::ghey::flush::puke: (this site has the best smilies ever )

BackyardResto
11-20-2008, 03:59 AM
I've arrived at the conclusion that I'm not even going to attempt to maintain professionalism in reporting the reveal of the 2010 model year Mustang.

http://i33.tinypic.com/xen0gp.jpg

For those who have known me for any length of time, I've made no secret of my displeasure with the S197 debut. Having said that, this car makes my feelings on the 2005-2009 appear lightweight.

Call it what you will. This car is a travesty. Epic failure is putting it lightly. I see Mazda styling cues. Hell, I may even see parts of a Camry in this car. And the rocker panels? LMAO! Did they run out of ideas, and make a quick jaunt to the left-over 1994-2004 SN95 parts bin? :rolleye:

The part that I find mildly entertaining is the fact that this is supposed to compete with the Dodge Challenger and the Chevrolet Camaro? :rofl: Even if you're a Camaro naysayer at this point, you simply have to admit that the Camaro has much more to offer aesthetically than this thing does.

It is what it is. And what it is equates to the epitome of poor design. As such, I refuse to put more than one picture of this car in this thread. If you're interested in seeing the entire car, click here (http://www.fordvehicles.com/the2010mustang/) .

This Thanksgiving, be thankful that we all got our Mustangs before Ford went and uglied them up. :puke:


Doc, I could not agree with you more on the looks of this new 2010 Mustang. Looks like they went backwards about 20yrs....

I could probably *live* with the interior if they were to give me one but surely would not pay a plug nickle for the car as a whole.

What they did to the front AND back with the ugliest taillilghts and bumper on a mustang ever.... YUCK

Its comforting to know that the 2008-2009 GT500 KR will go down in history as the best looking mustang ever built. I sure hope the KR was a 2yr as promised deal as.................... There may soon be one in my garage!
SVT has had my name on one for 2 months now. Lets just say it matches my current GT500 in color combo.

Anyone heard numbers on the 09 KR? 500 or 750 or?

Pretty sure the 08 numbers are staying at 1000 and most of those are now built.....

FoMoCo.... you really really messed up and wasted $$ building the 2010 Mustang. An absolute mess!
Congrats on helping yourself go bankrupt!

Doc, on the other deal :thumbsup::deal::deal::deal::thumbsup:

Evil95GT
11-20-2008, 04:36 AM
Lance.................difference or not, that was an AWESOME review you provided. You pretty much nailed every facet of this car and your perception of such. So bravo for that! :thumbsup:

I just can't look at it. Something about the exterior design of that car is nauseating. Ok, not something............many things. As Campisano (MM&FF editor) said in our interview, Ford backed themselves into a corner with this car when they went retro. Where do you go after retro? The picture I posted pretty much answers that question. IMO, the Camaro and Challenger will be able to pull it off beautifully...............because I see those cars as having a short life, and being single-gen cars (not redesigned, just discontinued). But something as iconic as the Mustang? A car with a 45 year track record? They're throwing a very rich history in the trash.

The 2005 debut really pissed me off. It took me months to get used to those cars. Not so much because I hated them, rather because I was so disappointed at how far of a departure it was from what was promised. I'm ok with them now, but I still feel that the Shelby GT500 is the crown jewel when it comes to looks.

It's not just the '05 cars though. I was the same way when the '94 came out. Little known fact, but when I bought my '95, I thought it was one of the ugliest Mustangs ever built. It just looked so catty to me, and at the time, I couldn't believe the Fox had evolved into that. I had a HUGE list of things I thought they did wrong, LMAO. But at the end of the day, the SN95 is now my all-time fave. Funny how things change. :rofl:

As for the Fox body? After owning seven of them, I've reached a point where I can no longer stand looking at those, either. Perhaps it's that they're so boxy. Or maybe it's the fact that they don't have a single styling cue that can be retraced to the original. Yes, I still own one. But as the years go on, it becomes painful to make eyes with that car.

The moral of the story/rant? Michelle = impossible to please when it comes to exterior design. :yup:

JP
11-20-2008, 12:24 PM
The moral of the story/rant? Michelle = impossible to please when it comes to exterior design. :yup:


I wasn't going to be the first to say it... but now that it's out there?


+1


:rofl:

iceman
11-20-2008, 03:38 PM
I'm a mustang guy....and I have to agree with Michelle on the exterior of this one. Perhaps it will grow on me but it is not like the 05. Whn i saw that I knew i had to have one....and I did.....then the 07 GT500 came out and bye bye 05 but at this point I wouldn't give up my 07 for anything....I wouldn't add another mustanf with this exterior (mainly the rear end)....although I have not sat in it yet. I do like the looks of the interior and think they got some things right...less the extra lighting.

In no way does this hold a candle to the Challenger though. I sat in one the other day at the dealer and at 6'5" and 290 pounds there was enough room to lock my knees and point my toes. I wouldn't drive that car with the seat all the way back and I can't see this Mustang matching that....it looks more like a 94 then a 2010 IMO. I'd say a swing and a miss.

cadzilla74
11-21-2008, 02:05 AM
ugh.... JUST UGH!!!!

The front end isnt a frown or a glare or a hard stare...it looks like the car is emotionally sad. The car looks like a catfish that was told its mama just died.





Nailed it Rev ... right on the money ... lol.

Rev.Hammer
11-24-2008, 11:05 AM
THAT ass end ....I swear I havent seen anything that vile since that picture of Hillary Clinton in panties....




http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/silverbeam/CSM%20Blog/Hillarymacho.jpg

Evil95GT
11-25-2008, 12:03 AM
The more I look at it, the more ghastly it seems. :puke:

Tbird100636
11-26-2008, 01:42 AM
I've arrived at the conclusion that I'm not even going to attempt to maintain professionalism in reporting the reveal of the 2010 model year Mustang.

http://i33.tinypic.com/xen0gp.jpg

For those who have known me for any length of time, I've made no secret of my displeasure with the S197 debut. Having said that, this car makes my feelings on the 2005-2009 appear lightweight.

Call it what you will. This car is a travesty. Epic failure is putting it lightly. I see Mazda styling cues. Hell, I may even see parts of a Camry in this car. And the rocker panels? LMAO! Did they run out of ideas, and make a quick jaunt to the left-over 1994-2004 SN95 parts bin? :rolleye:

The part that I find mildly entertaining is the fact that this is supposed to compete with the Dodge Challenger and the Chevrolet Camaro? :rofl: Even if you're a Camaro naysayer at this point, you simply have to admit that the Camaro has much more to offer aesthetically than this thing does.

It is what it is. And what it is equates to the epitome of poor design. As such, I refuse to put more than one picture of this car in this thread. If you're interested in seeing the entire car, click here (http://www.fordvehicles.com/the2010mustang/) .

This Thanksgiving, be thankful that we all got our Mustangs before Ford went and uglied them up. :puke:


Lance.................difference or not, that was an AWESOME review you provided. You pretty much nailed every facet of this car and your perception of such. So bravo for that! :thumbsup:

I just can't look at it. Something about the exterior design of that car is nauseating. Ok, not something............many things. As Campisano (MM&FF editor) said in our interview, Ford backed themselves into a corner with this car when they went retro. Where do you go after retro? The picture I posted pretty much answers that question. IMO, the Camaro and Challenger will be able to pull it off beautifully...............because I see those cars as having a short life, and being single-gen cars (not redesigned, just discontinued). But something as iconic as the Mustang? A car with a 45 year track record? They're throwing a very rich history in the trash.

The 2005 debut really pissed me off. It took me months to get used to those cars. Not so much because I hated them, rather because I was so disappointed at how far of a departure it was from what was promised. I'm ok with them now, but I still feel that the Shelby GT500 is the crown jewel when it comes to looks.

It's not just the '05 cars though. I was the same way when the '94 came out. Little known fact, but when I bought my '95, I thought it was one of the ugliest Mustangs ever built. It just looked so catty to me, and at the time, I couldn't believe the Fox had evolved into that. I had a HUGE list of things I thought they did wrong, LMAO. But at the end of the day, the SN95 is now my all-time fave. Funny how things change. :rofl:

As for the Fox body? After owning seven of them, I've reached a point where I can no longer stand looking at those, either. Perhaps it's that they're so boxy. Or maybe it's the fact that they don't have a single styling cue that can be retraced to the original. Yes, I still own one. But as the years go on, it becomes painful to make eyes with that car.

The moral of the story/rant? Michelle = impossible to please when it comes to exterior design. :yup:
Oh the Camaro is a copy of a Challenger and you know it. The Camaro Concept came only a few weeks after the Challenger concept, all you had to do was switch front ends and you had a Camaro. As far as the retro road, it wasn't as bad as the T-Bird. They went from a $20,000-25,000 car in 1997 to a $42,000 car in 2002. Styling could have been better, especially the Lincoln LS dash, since the T-Bird was based on the Lincoln LS. A detuned Jaguar motor (3.9L down from 4.0L) which they made feeble attempts to upgrade (no supercharged option though). A decent car, but too damned expensive, with a few flaws. I was at a car show last year, and there were three 2002-2005 in the T-Bird section. All three were for sale!!!
Now back to the Mustang. They got it right with the price, the styling is ok, the 2010 grille isn't as good (there's a picture somewhere of a red 2010 model and it looks good), but still ok. The quarter windows could have been larger, or no windows at all. The retro styling made a better looking Bullitt, looks allot more like a 1968 then the previous 2001 Bullitt. The 1994-2004 SN95 Fox 4's were also meant to be retro, though not as dramatic.

Rev.Hammer
11-26-2008, 11:43 AM
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/MFP57/CATS/taunt.jpg




Pooey on it!

speedfreek95gt
11-29-2008, 01:51 AM
I wasn't a fan of the S197's when they came out, and this one is ok, but not a whole lot better. It looks way too plain, way too plasticy, and should have BUILT IN CHINA stamped on the hood. I know this is just a proto-type photo; sometimes they come out looking better (or worse) than projected, but I guess I'll just wait and see. With a little elbow grease and a whole lot of aftermarket parts, the 05's looked much more appealing than in stock form. Maybe there's some light at the end of the tunnel.

If it were up to me, I'd still take anything 87-04 before I'd buy an S197.

I'm not necessarily "anti" any automotive company, but props to the new Challenger. It is undoubtedly the coolest production car on the streets. If the Camaro ends up anything like the proto-type pics, it will be running high on the list too.

Brad
12-11-2008, 01:40 AM
I still love the current version with that cervinis body kit, but i can't like the car without spending what, 8K on body modifications.... Other than that I haven't liked any car (that's not trucks or SUVs) that ford has made in a long time